This game is provably fair. What that means is that there is no way the site can cheat you by picking numbers to make you lose. You can take our word for it, but for the crypto-nerds out there, here are the gory details:
When you click 'randomize' in the top right we make up a secret random string (the server seed) that is used to randomize the rolls. You are shown the hash of the server seed, and are asked to supply your own random number (the client seed) to further randomize the rolls.
The sha256 hash of the server seed you are currently using is:
The client seed currently in use:
and the number of bets you have made using it:
Each time you roll, the server and client seeds are combined with the number of rolls you have made since the seeds were selected to create the roll.
Notice that you are shown the hash of the server seed before picking your client seed. This ensures that there is no way we can influence the numbers you will roll.
If you want to verify that we are not cheating you, click 'randomize' again to reveal the current server seed and generate a new pair of seeds for future rolls.
In this way you can verify your rolls whenever you like, without having to wait for a daily secret to be published, and you are safe from cheating without the need to set a different client seed for each bet you make.
To generate your dice rolls, we string together your client seed, a colon, and your bet number.
For example, if your client seed is 1234567 and you are about to make your first roll since setting the seed, we will use "1234567:1".
We then use the hmac-sha512() function to hash that string with the server seed. That gives us a 128 character hex string.
To generate your dice rolls, we string together your bet number, a colon, your client seed, a colon, and your bet number.
For example, if your client seed is 1234567 and you are about to make your first roll since setting the seed, we will use "1:1234567:1".
We do the same with the server seed: put your bet number before and after it, with a colon separator.
We then use the hmac-sha512() function to hash that string with the modified server seed. That gives us a 128 character hex string:
Note that the "bet number" in both the above cases is the number of bets you have made since your seeds were selected, not the global server "bet ID" number.
We then take the first 5 characters of that hex string and convert them to a decimal integer (that will be in the range 0 through 1048575 (16^5-1)).
If it is less than 1 million, we divide it by 10,000 and use it as your dice roll. That is the case 96% of the time.
Otherwise we use the next five characters of the 128 character hex string, and repeat.
In the unlikely event that none of the 25 groups of five characters are lower than 1 million when convered to decimal, we use the remaining 3 hex digits, which give a number in the range 0 through 4095, which corresponds to a dice roll of 0.0000 through 0.4095.
A few players on the site collaborated to create a service which you can use to verify your rolled numbers. Copy the 3-line value from the 'randomize' window into the first input of that page and click 'verify' for a list of the numbers you rolled, calculated independently of the site.
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Your user ID is .
Specify an emergency withdrawal address.
Please make an effort to keep this up to date as your funds will be sent to it without warning in the event of an emergency:
Optionally, you can tell us your email address so we can contact you if necessary:
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The values you type into the settings fields are automatically saved on the server as you type them. There's no 'save' or 'apply' button.
You currently have DOGE invested.
You are supplying of the site's bankroll.
You can invest some of your balance with the site for other players to bet against. This both increases the maximum bets on the site, and you keep any profits made. You also 'keep' any losses.
Although we have a 1% house edge, and in the long run will earn a profit of 1% of the wagered amount, in the short to medium term we can still lose money. In times when we are lucky, we win many bets and earn a larger-than-expected profit, and in unlucky times we earn less than expected, and can even lose out. This is especially so if someone comes in and makes a large number of massive bets; we can either gain a lot or lose a lot. If you believe that the potential gains do not outweigh the potential losses, please do not invest.
Let's break it down: Suppose the total bankroll is currently made of 90 DOGE from a single investor, and you invest a further 10 DOGE. You will have 10% of the new 'current bankroll', and the first investor's share will drop from 100% to 90%. Each bet that a player makes is played against the current bankroll. As players win and lose, your investment grows or shrinks by 10% of the overall house profit. When you withdraw your investment you get 10% of the current bankroll. You may withdraw your investment at any time. Other players' investments will affect the percentage of the current bankroll that your investment represents. If a 3rd investor then invests another 100 DOGE, bringing the total bankroll to 200 DOGE, the first investor's percentage drop from 90% to 45%, your percentage drops from 10% to 5%, and the new investor's percentage is 50%. Then if a player loses 20 DOGE to the site, everyone's investment grows in proportion. Your 10 DOGE investment is now 5% of the new bankroll (220 DOGE) ie. 11 DOGE.
On each bet, each player can profit by up to 0.5% of the house's bankroll. The maximum bet is dynamically adjusted after each bet. Work is in progress to allow investors to set their own risk level. Perhaps you want to risk up to 5% of your investment on each roll, not just 1%. At some point that may be available. Originally the site allowed players to profit by up to 1% of the house's bankroll, but this figure was reduced in an attempt to reduce volatility in the bankroll levels.
A simple example: The site's bankroll is 90 DOGE. You invest 10 DOGE, bringing the total bankroll up to 100 DOGE. A player bets 1 DOGE and loses. The total bankroll is now 101 DOGE. You withdraw your investment, and get 10.1 DOGE. The site's bankroll is now 90.9 DOGE.
Alternatively: You invest the same 10 DOGE and the same player bets 1 DOGE at a 2x multiplier and wins. The total bankroll is now 99 DOGE. Your investment is now only worth 9.9 DOGE. You can withdraw it now and take the loss, or wait for the law of large numbers to work in your favour. In the long run you can expect to profit 1% of everything bet against your investment.
The site currently charges a 10% commission on net investment profits to cover expenses such as advertising, server hosting, etc. The commission rate is subject to change. Notice will be given in this paragraph 7 clear days before any rate change takes effect.
Commission is charged when profits are divested, or at midnight (UTC) on Sunday each week, whichever happens sooner. Commission is never charged twice on the same profits. For example if you invest 100 DOGE and it grows to 110 DOGE by the end of the first week, you will be charged 10% of your 10 DOGE profit. If your remaining 109 DOGE investment then shrinks to 105 DOGE over the next week, you will not be charged any commission at the end of that week. And then, if it grows to 119 DOGE by the end of the 3rd week, you will only be charged 10% commission on the new 10 DOGE of profit over the previous high of 109 DOGE. At any point you could divest up to your original investment of 100 DOGE without being charged commission since we consider that when divesting you divest the original investment first, and profits later.
Please help advertise the site. The more players we have, the faster your investment will grow. If you have a BitcoinTalk.org forum account, please consider adding the following to your signature there:
To edit your BitcoinTalk signature, visit https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile then click the "Forum Profile Information" link under "Modify Profile" in the top left. Copy/paste the above code into the "Signature" box, and click "Change profile" at the bottom of the page to save the new signature.
Doge-Dice.com is a Dogecoin casino where you can play a fast paced dice game with a low 1% house edge and gamble with your DOGE. Pick your chance to win and how much to bet, then select "hi or lo" to roll the dice and get an instant result, win or lose. There is also a live chat where you can interact with other players on the site. They will probably try to convince you to bet more. :)
Alternatively you can invest in the site's bankroll, and share in the site's profits (or losses), while helping us offer bigger maximum bets to the players. This is why the players in the chat are trying to convince you to bet more - they win when you lose...
Some people have been confused by this. They ask when we take the 1% off, is it after each win, or when they try to withdraw. It is neither of these. The house edge is built in to the payouts. When you play the 50% game and win, you receive 1.98 times your stake as your payout. If there was no house edge, you would receive 2 times your stake. 1.98 is 1% less than 2. That is the house edge.
Dogecoin is a decentralised digital currency. For doges. See DogeCoin.com for an introduction.
You can get a small amount of Dogecoin to try the site out at InDogeWeTrust.com where you can get free Dogecoins from their watering bowl.
If you are looking for larger amounts of Dogecoin, you can exchange BTC for DOGE at CoinedUp.com.
Before depositing, please confirm that this type of gambling is legal in your jurisdiction.
Then, and only then, click the 'deposit' button. It is in the top right. This is the most frequently asked question by far. I guess people just don't expect it to be on a button. Your deposit needs 10 confirmations on the Dogecoin network before it will be credited to your account.
There is a minimum deposit of 0.01 DOGE. Deposits of less than that will be ignored.
The wallet was reset on 23rd April 2014. Using old deposit addresses from before then will cause your deposit to be delayed. If you deposit to an old address accidentally, please wait 24 hours for it to be credited to your account. If it doesn't show up within 24 hours then please contact us giving your userid (from the account tab).
There is a 'withdraw' button next to the 'deposit' button. You will need to wait until your most recent deposit has enough confirmations before you are allowed to withdraw. The number required is between 10 and 30 depending on the size of your withdrawal.
Please note that for security purposes there are limited coins available for automatic withdrawal. On attempt to withdraw more than is available, your request will fail but will be logged. Please follow up with an email to the address at the end of this FAQ confirming the amount and the destination address. Your withdrawal will then be processed manually. Support in these matters usually occurs within a few hours, but can take up to 24 hours during exceptional circumstances. Thank you for your patience in this matter as it is difficult to balance convenience and security.
Each time you roll the dice, you get a number between 0 and 100.
When rolling low, you need to roll less than the chance you selected. When rolling high, you need to roll (100 - chance) or over.
So with a 30% chance to win, low rolls win with less than 30, and high rolls win with 70 or more.
Alternatively, you can select thepayoutmultiplier and thechance to winwill be calculated for you.
Also, you can select theprofityou want to make if you win, and thebet sizewill be calculated for you.
The payouts are set such that the house edge is.
Themax profitindicator tells you how much the house is prepared to risk per roll, and is based on the size of the house bankroll. This amount remains unchanged whatever your chance of winning. It adjusts in real time as the house bankroll grows or shrinks..
For example, suppose themax profitis 500 DOGE:
Theluckpercentage displayed shows how many rolls you have won compared to how many you 'should' have won. For example, if you play 10 times with a 10% chance of winning and win two of the 10 rolls, your luck will show as 200%, since you have won twice as many as you 'should' have. Bet size is not taken into account when calculating luck, so it is possible to have a luck less than 100% and still show a profit if your winning bets risked more than your losing bets.
For example, suppose you are playing with a 50% chance to win (ie. a 1.98x payout). You bet 1 DOGE and lose. You double up to 2 DOGE and lose again. You double again and lose 4 DOGE, and then double one more time to 8 DOGE and win. You have played 4 times and won once. Your luck shows as 50% since you have won half as many games as you would expect to with a 50% chance of winning, but your profit is positive. You have lost 1+2+4 = 7 DOGE and won 0.98*8 = 7.84 DOGE for a profit of 0.84 DOGE.
The number in theprofitcolumn is:
The number in theluckycolumn is:
In order to keep as few coins online as possible, Doge-Dice uses a shared hot-wallet. Most deposits are moved off site soon after being received. Consequently when you withdraw you are often sent funds that somebody else recently deposited.
Because of this, if you use your Doge-Dice account to send bets to such sites, any winnings are unlikely to be credited to your Doge-Dice account.
The server can only handle a certain number of rolls per second. There are people running automated 'bot' programs that place tiny bets over and over. These were causing the whole site to slow down. In response to this, I introduced artificial delays to the roll, based on the amount being wagered. This slows down the 'dust bots' so that the site stays fast for real players. The delays are as follows:
All bets are final. The site operates with a very small house edge. Refunding bets would turn the site's positive expectation into a negative one.
Deb wrote a blog post about this.
In order to prove that you own an account, you will sometimes be asked to sign a message using the address from which you deposited. How you do that depends which wallet you are using:
Like all forms of gambling, online gambling can become an addiction that can have serious negative effects on your life. If you lose more than you planned to or can safely afford and find yourself struggling to control time and/or money spent gambling, please check these sites for information that could help you:
Games of chance (like Doge-Dice) have no memory between consecutive rounds, so increasing the amount you wager after a streak of losses has no effect on the odds of winning the next round.
You can also use the box found at the bottom of the "Account" tab to have a "cool-off" period during which you cannot gamble. "When rolling, delay my results ...". There is no limit to the number of seconds you can input, but it will only 'last' until the next server reboot, at which time you will need to input your delay again.
Also, if you are an investor on the site and want your account to be permanently blocked from betting, email the address found towards the bottom of this FAQ and ask to be added to the list of accounts that are not allowed to bet.
No, of course not. The vast majority are in cold storage, at an address I can prove is under my control. For versions v1.5 and newer of dogecoin-qt:
$ dogecoind verifymessage DDJn48W6xfaFm9tRwQmgvvzqpSmvV8MB6i \ HzQHOpzDYN+BC5PZ7mJNTPgLFSTGEUiwTgm0X4DROH8deGxF7df3+ArjLdBiz5HPmJZ6WwDyORGRZ505qGi/b2g= \ "This address is owned by Doge-Dice.com and is used for offsite storage." > > true
Before v1.5 the signing algorithm was different. I don't have the old version on the cold wallet machine, so can't sign a message with it.
There's another wallet I use, as a buffer between the hot and cold wallets. Here are signatures for that address. For versions of dogecoin-qt prior to v1.5:
$ dogecoind verifymessage DSYLEu6N3fjD9tGmJzq3ZBDV1or9cbNMxM \ ICBNSmERx22O1naSo5BnmqGq1nLOwwht4TItiYGRUAR6zsadWbuzmzUnM5kw1USf3Pe7lIFcN1Vo0YTPbtgKieQ= \ "This address is owned by Doge-Dice.com and is used for offsite storage." > > true
For version 1.5 and later:
$ dogecoind verifymessage DSYLEu6N3fjD9tGmJzq3ZBDV1or9cbNMxM \ H9uAM7QgqOffYf1ar+Rp+zuEWfVgPnSkhj6EYvsovfRG/g/KKMLo04UKet3qogxg7jMsk1hZzIafODuGzWJbQd4= \ "This address is owned by Doge-Dice.com and is used for offsite storage." > > true
If the site was doing something simple like refusing to pay out winners, then everyone would have heard about it already.
The dice rolls are provably fair. This is addressed on the 'Fair?' tab on site.
As I see it, there are two non-obvious ways the site could be scamming people:
The above two together should be enough to prove that (a) we don't hide any investments, and (b) we are in control of all invested coins. In conclusion, the site is not running a "fractional reserve" operation and is in fact solvent. If you see any way the site could still be running in "Ponzi" mode given the above, please let us know and we will attempt to provide further proof.
You can't just put a question mark on the end of a sentence to make it a question you know? But here they are.
The ones that link to us, of course!
The 'all bets' tab doesn't really show all bets; there are too many bets to show them all. It shows all bets which risk, win, or lose an amount of 2000 DOGE or more. (This number is subject to change). If no bets have met that criteria for 3 seconds, then the next bet that happens will be shown, regardless of its size. So when someone is betting 400 DOGE at 5% over and over, his losses mostly won't show up, since he's only risking and losing 400 DOGE, but all his winnings WILL show up, since he'll be winning something like 8000 DOGE. That's why it sometimes looks like people are winning low chance bets over and over.
Note that the same reasoning also explains why you sometimes see people having very long losing streaks at high chances to win; their wins at high chance are too low to show up, but their losses are big enough to show.
People often offer to tip me for running the site. In the past I've mostly said "you don't need to tip me; I make plenty from commission", but have accepted a few offers. I've been making judgements about whether the person could afford to tip me or whether they felt obliged to, which isn't fair given that in general I have nothing to go on in making such judgements. So please, there's no obligation to tip me at all, but if you want to, my address is DPvcie6Q1b6y9EETTKL7xwssoBdjxio9yq.
Usually doge-lus has a (1) in front of his name, and Deb has a (2). The passwords for these accounts are very long randomly generated strings that are quite impossible to memorise. So when out of the house, doge-lus uses account (41) which also has chat name 'doge-lus'. That account has no admin privileges, and very limited funds available, so it is safe to use on untrusted computers. The password on that account is long, but short enough to carry in a human head. If you see user (41) claiming to be doge-lus, it probably is. No other user should be able to change their name to 'doge-lus', although variations on the theme are allowed.
The list of commands changes occasionally, but is always available by typing /help in the chat. It's not an IRC chat, it's just something built into the website.
You will receive an automatic reply with a link to track progress. Please mention that you're using doge-dice not just-dice because we use the same ticket system for both sites.
doge-lus (1) and Deb (2) are often available in the chat tab on-site, but there is no guarantee that either of them will see anything you say there. If it is something important, please use the email address above.
Comment on Deb's blog in which she posts irregularly about happenings on Just-Dice and Doge-Dice.